Hi!
An admin... you mean someone from Infra? Or you mean someone like Noriko?
Cheers,
Sylvia
On 22 September 2016 at 21:06, ניב באר <bloop93(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Sylvia,
Bug opened:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378576
problem is, it seems to be targeted at the Hebrew team coordinator, but I
think an admin is needed for introducing this change)
Also, thank you again Rafal, much appreciated.
2016-09-22 20:33 GMT+03:00 Sylvia Sánchez <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com>:
>
> Or a bug? I think Bugzilla fits better for this.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvia
>
>
>
> On 22 September 2016 at 11:33, Rafal Luzynski <
> digitalfreak(a)lingonborough.com> wrote:
>
>> Ping! Can we have this change introduced, please? For the reminder,
>> a formula like this is needed for Hebrew language globally:
>>
>> nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : n==2 ? 2 : 1;
>>
>> Should a ticket be filed somewhere? Thank you in advance.
>>
>> Rafal
>>
>>
>> 16.09.2016 01:17 Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak(a)lingonborough.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you, Niv. For me it's clear that we should introduce the
>> > dual number in Hebrew globally and not introduce the "many" form.
>> > It will be introduced only if it turns out to be needed.
>> >
>> > Please note that what I write here is just my kindly suggestion,
>> > not the decision. Can we ask the Zanata administrators and/or
>> > developers to introduce this change, please?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Rafal
>> >
>> >
>> > 15.09.2016 11:23 ניב באר <bloop93(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > (please ignore my last 3 messages - I was just me having trouble
>> sending
>> > > this
>> > > message - here is the complete message)
>> > >
>> > > >now I'd suggest this one as more readable:
>> > > >
>> > > > nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : n==2 ? 2 : 1;
>> > > >
>> > > >Niv, is this order of the translated strings what you want:
>> > > >
>> > > >msgstr[0] "Singular form"
>> > > >msgstr[1] "Plural form (including zero)"
>> > > >msgstr[2] "Dual form"
>> > > >
>> > > >Can we have this formula for now?
>> > >
>> > > That's great, thank you.
>> > >
>> > > >Now it's not clear to me what you mean about the
"many" form.
>> > > >You wrote that it is correct not to use this form but it would
>> > > >be nicer to have it. If it would be nice then let's be nice,
>> > > >using more plural forms is not beyond our abilities!
>> > >
>> > > as using the regular plural form is correct (seem natural to the
>> user*),
>> > > it will only add unneeded extra complexity,
>> > > so we'd prefer to leave it for now.
>> > > meanwhile,
>> > > projects who want can do it manipulating the .po file header (as
>> GNOME
>> > > Software did)
>> > > for overall standard,
>> > > we can always turn over the world again at later time :)
>> > >
>> > > >But for now I don't understand where the "many" form
should be used:
>> > > >* for the numbers: 20, 30, 40, ..., 100, 110, 120, ...
>> > > >or
>> > > >* for the numbers: 11, 12, 13, ..., 99, 100, 101, ...
>> > > the latter, for the numbers: 11, 12, 13, ..., 99, 100, 101, ...
>> (n>10)
>> > > but again, using the regular plural form is correct*.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Niv
>> > >
>> > > *user reading in hebrew the sentence "2 days ago" translated
as
>> "לפני 2
>> > > ימים"
>> > > will get the filling this sentence is not natural and should be
"לפני
>> > > יומיים"
>> > >
>> > > user reading in hebrew the sentence "20 days ago" translated
as
>> "לפני 20
>> > > ימים" will continue reading without paying attention that the
form
>> "לפני 20
>> > > יום" exists as well
>> > >
>> > > 2016-09-15 2:19 GMT+03:00 Rafal Luzynski <
>> digitalfreak(a)lingonborough.com
>> > > mailto:digitalfreak@lingonborough.com >:
>> > > > > 14.09.2016 13:30 ניב באר <bloop93(a)gmail.com mailto:
>> bloop93(a)gmail.com >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Just to make sure,
>> > > > > We are requesting to add the rule for dual form.. the other
rule
>> can
>> > > > > be
>> > > > > ignored.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 0 : n==1 : singular form
>> > > > > 1 : n==0||n >2 :plural form
>> > > > > 2 : n==2 : dual form
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We do not actually need the many form for the translation to
be
>> > > > > correct.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > (Assuming putting dual form on 2 can mainyain some bacward
>> > > > > compatibility)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Niv
>> > > >
>> > > > As for now it looks clear to me that Hebrew language needs at
least
>> > > > the dual form to be added. Even if dual form usually will be the
>> > > > same as the plural we need a mechanism and leave it to the
>> translators
>> > > > whether they use it in particular cases or not.
>> > > >
>> > > > Now it's not clear to me what you mean about the
"many" form.
>> > > > You wrote that it is correct not to use this form but it would
>> > > > be nicer to have it. If it would be nice then let's be nice,
>> > > > using more plural forms is not beyond our abilities! But for
>> > > > now I don't understand where the "many" form should
be used:
>> > > >
>> > > > * for the numbers: 20, 30, 40, ..., 100, 110, 120, ...
>> > > > or
>> > > > * for the numbers: 11, 12, 13, ..., 99, 100, 101, ...
>> > > >
>> > > > As long as it's clear that dual number is necessary and
it's
>> > > > not clear whether and when the "many" number is
necessary
>> > > > I suggest adding the dual number rule and not adding the
"many"
>> > > > number yet. As far as I understood, missing dual number is
>> > > > incorrect while missing "many" number is not.
>> > > >
>> > > > Although previously I referred to this formula: [1]
>> > > >
>> > > > nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : (n>2||n==0) ? 1 : 2;
>> > > >
>> > > > now I'd suggest this one as more readable:
>> > > >
>> > > > nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : n==2 ? 2 : 1;
>> > > >
>> > > > Niv, is this order of the translated strings what you want:
>> > > >
>> > > > msgstr[0] "Singular form"
>> > > > msgstr[1] "Plural form (including zero)"
>> > > > msgstr[2] "Dual form"
>> > > >
>> > > > Can we have this formula for now?
>> > > >
>> > > > For the record, here [2] is a formula for Hebrew according to
>> > > > what CLDR curently says:
>> > > >
>> > > > nplurals=4; plural=(n == 1) ? 0 : ((n == 2) ? 1 : (((n < 0 || n
>
>> 10)
>> > > > && n %
>> > > > 10 == 0) ? 2 : 3))
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Rafal
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [1]
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/po/he.po
>> > > > [2]
http://mlocati.github.io/cldr-to-gettext-plural-rules/
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