On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:35 PM Jonathan Billings <billings(a)negate.org>
wrote:
Just as much as frustrating as people who say “systemd is evil” and
because it has bugs it should be tossed out entirely.
That attempted equivalence doesn't acknowledge the power imbalance in the
situation. The "systemd can't possibly be broken in THAT way" crowd are
part of the group which have final say over Linux distributions at large
and how they do (or don't) work.
If the "systemd is evil" crowd were removing systemd from Fedora/Ubuntu/etc
and repeatedly breaking working systems and dismissing user feedback --
even if they had good intentions and could point to bugs they were fixing
-- I think this equivalence would carry weight.
I wasn’t trying to be dismissive, I just didn’t realize we were
debugging
someone’s genuine problem.
And, not to be too flip, I think that's part of the problem.
-justin
In general, the way I suggest debugging these kinds of hangs at
shutdown/reboot are to run:
journalctl --boot=-1 --reverse
--
Jonathan Billings
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