Thunderbird - Wayland / other apps

[lejeczek]

Hi guys.

I think it came with an update a few releases ago - 
Thunderbird no longer stays on the monitor it was on, prior 
to screen-saver.
After screen-saver was invoked, Thunderbird goes onto the 
main monitor always - for those of us who have two-monitor 
setup, needless to say.
I wonder if Fedorians see this - Thunderbird & Firefox 
(multiple windows/instances) not remembering it's monitor 
position, has been an on-off issue for a last few yeas - 
with other apps too?

Perhaps answers here, could be useful feedback for devel - 
as to whether it's Gnome/Wayland & all-apps or/and only 
given apps(their issue).

thanks, L.

[Stephen Morris]

On 14/6/24 23:24, lejeczek via users wrote:
>  Hi guys.
>
>  I think it came with an update a few releases ago - Thunderbird no 
>  longer stays on the monitor it was on, prior to screen-saver.
>  After screen-saver was invoked, Thunderbird goes onto the main monitor 
>  always - for those of us who have two-monitor setup, needless to say.
>  I wonder if Fedorians see this - Thunderbird & Firefox (multiple 
>  windows/instances) not remembering it's monitor position, has been an 
>  on-off issue for a last few yeas - with other apps too?
>
>  Perhaps answers here, could be useful feedback for devel - as to 
>  whether it's Gnome/Wayland & all-apps or/and only given apps(their issue).
>
>  thanks, L.
>
>  
I'm not sure this is helpful, but it may be an attempt to emulate 
windows. I have a similar issue under Windows 10 where all apps, not 
relative to the screen saver, when minimised and subsequently maximised 
display on the monitor configured as the primary monitor. I have always 
hated this functionality.

regards,
Steve

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[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, Stephen Morris wrote:

>  I'm not sure this is helpful, but it may be an attempt to emulate
> windows. I 
>  have a similar issue under Windows 10 where all apps, not relative to the 
>  screen saver, when minimised and subsequently maximised display on the 
>  monitor configured as the primary monitor. I have always hated this 
>  functionality. 
In that case, there *should* be an opt-out somewhere.

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[Stephen Morris]

On 18/6/24 04:58, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>  On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure this is helpful, but it may be an attempt to emulate 
> > windows. I have a similar issue under Windows 10 where all apps, not 
> > relative to the screen saver, when minimised and subsequently 
> > maximised display on the monitor configured as the primary monitor. I 
> > have always hated this functionality.
>
>  In that case, there *should* be an opt-out somewhere.
>  
On my work laptop with Windows 10, when I am in the office both external 
monitors plug into a docking station and when I minimise an app and then 
maximise it, the app window maximises to the screen configured as the 
main screen irrespective of which screen the app was minimised from. 
When I am working from home with my work laptop, one external monitor 
plugs into the docking station and the other one plugs directly into the 
laptop via hdmi, and when I minimise and app and then maximise it, the 
app displays on the monitor that is directly plugged into the laptop 
irrespective of which screen it was minimised from, and I haven't found 
any functionality in Windows that will change that functionality. From 
the initial thread it seems like Fedora may have gone the same way?

regards,
Steve

[Tim]

On Mon, 2024-06-17 at 08:13 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
>  I'm not sure this is helpful, but it may be an attempt to
> emulate
>  windows. I have a similar issue under Windows 10 where all apps, not
>  relative to the screen saver, when minimised and subsequently
>  maximised display on the monitor configured as the primary monitor. I
>  have always hated this functionality. 
Sounds far more like the programmer couldn't do things properly, than a
feature.

I expect minimising/maximising windows to do both of those functions on
the same screen.  If I want something to shift, I will shift it.  If I
had to get something to move from second screen to main when I can't
actually see it (such as the second screen going AWOL), I expect there
to be a proper solution to that (such as the taskbar right-click to
move one workspace left).

I had that kind of thing happen on a Mac, recently.  Something moved
without my say-so onto the second screen, which was refusing to switch
over to its video input socket the Mac was plugged into, so I couldn't
control that app.  I had to pull the cord out the back to get the Mac
to abandon trying to use the other screen as it doesn't have any
obvious way to move an app from one screen to the next without actually
mousing over to the other screen.

Computers are supposed to be repeatedly predictable.  When things turn
into random uncontrollable and inexplicable behaviour, that's a
failure.


Tangentially:  For what it's worth, I only use the Mac for video
editing.  I've never found anything that worked on Linux.  Being slow
as molasses to deal with the sheer amount of data, requiring expensive
video cards for rendering that I don't have, ridiculously primitive in
features, or simply unable to support the codecs required to do the
job.  Externally converting proprietary (though common) formats is not
a viable working method.  Video editors *have* to directly accept the
video formats your cameras create, and the edited output has to be in a
normal video format that everything/everyone else can directly use.
 
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